Comments on: To Hell With Internet Explorer http://evocateur.org/2007/12/to-hell-with-internet-explorer/ A Place to Practice Upgrading Wordpress Periodically Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:59:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Daniel http://evocateur.org/2007/12/to-hell-with-internet-explorer/comment-page-1/#comment-24 Daniel Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:31:20 +0000 http://evocateur.org/2007/12/to-hell-with-internet-explorer/#comment-24 <p>I was definitely flushed when writing this, originally. I don't envy the IE team, bearing the brunt of reactions like mine. It's hard to explain how I don't conflate Microsoft the corporation with Microsoft the people (you of all people should have an inkling of this), and perhaps the post itself could use an edit or three.</p> <p>This is actually the only place I feel remotely comfortable with actually <em>using</em> the conditional comment block, and it's not as if I pretend that I can get paid for stuff that does.</p> <p>I wasn't offended by your first comment (I was actually forced to re-read my post, after the dust settled, and found myself sounding shrill--a valuable perspective gained), but I do appreciate your efforts to clarify. I do hope the IE team succeeds in whatever goals they have set, because quite frankly the goals set by the community are nigh astronomical.</p> <p>I should integrate some blurb in the comment area about <a href="http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax" rel="nofollow">Markdown</a> syntax... Oh, and preview... gah... (edited your comments to incorporate the link)</p> I was definitely flushed when writing this, originally. I don’t envy the IE team, bearing the brunt of reactions like mine. It’s hard to explain how I don’t conflate Microsoft the corporation with Microsoft the people (you of all people should have an inkling of this), and perhaps the post itself could use an edit or three.

This is actually the only place I feel remotely comfortable with actually using the conditional comment block, and it’s not as if I pretend that I can get paid for stuff that does.

I wasn’t offended by your first comment (I was actually forced to re-read my post, after the dust settled, and found myself sounding shrill–a valuable perspective gained), but I do appreciate your efforts to clarify. I do hope the IE team succeeds in whatever goals they have set, because quite frankly the goals set by the community are nigh astronomical.

I should integrate some blurb in the comment area about Markdown syntax… Oh, and preview… gah… (edited your comments to incorporate the link)

]]> By: Charles Cox http://evocateur.org/2007/12/to-hell-with-internet-explorer/comment-page-1/#comment-23 Charles Cox Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:07:08 +0000 http://evocateur.org/2007/12/to-hell-with-internet-explorer/#comment-23 <p>I just noticed that you already did it. I don't know when that happened - before or after my comment, but I see it's there.</p> <p>It's not nearly as bad as I thought - I had imagined it as an if-else where you'd <em>only</em> see the "get a real browser" text and couldn't navigate the site at all unless you got not-IE.</p> <p>I guess I could have intimated that from the code - you know, by just <em>reading</em> the code instead of assuming you were going to take the most exclusionist of policies - but I went and assumed. My bad, dude. Sorry about that.</p> I just noticed that you already did it. I don’t know when that happened - before or after my comment, but I see it’s there.

It’s not nearly as bad as I thought - I had imagined it as an if-else where you’d only see the “get a real browser” text and couldn’t navigate the site at all unless you got not-IE.

I guess I could have intimated that from the code - you know, by just reading the code instead of assuming you were going to take the most exclusionist of policies - but I went and assumed. My bad, dude. Sorry about that.

]]> By: Charles Cox http://evocateur.org/2007/12/to-hell-with-internet-explorer/comment-page-1/#comment-22 Charles Cox Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:57:19 +0000 http://evocateur.org/2007/12/to-hell-with-internet-explorer/#comment-22 <p>You couldn't pay me enough to be in the position Dean Hachamovitch is in right now. It's unwinnable, and his silence up until now was probably the only thing he felt he could have done safely. It was still a bad move. And so was that blog post. Yuck.</p> <p>That said, I'd reconsider placing that source code on your page. The IE's still make up some <a href="http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp" rel="nofollow">58% of the browser landscape</a>, and while I know you know that already, and have already factored that into your decision, I just want you to give it another thought. Is exclusion the first impression you want to give?</p> You couldn’t pay me enough to be in the position Dean Hachamovitch is in right now. It’s unwinnable, and his silence up until now was probably the only thing he felt he could have done safely. It was still a bad move. And so was that blog post. Yuck.

That said, I’d reconsider placing that source code on your page. The IE’s still make up some 58% of the browser landscape, and while I know you know that already, and have already factored that into your decision, I just want you to give it another thought. Is exclusion the first impression you want to give?

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